All quiet from Reds with Arroyo

One thing I didn’t get to on Friday when Dusty Baker lost his job was a part of my conversation with Bronson Arroyo. The longtime Reds pitcher knew that his last start of 2013 vs. the Pirates — where he allowed five homers — was possibly his final start with the club.

Nothing has changed since the season ended to have Arroyo thinking any differently.

“I’ve heard not a word,” Arroyo said on Friday. “The sense I have, I don’t think they’ll make me a [qualifying] offer. They would have to offer me $13-14 million for me to stay anyway.”

Arroyo has maintained that he looking for, at minimum, a two-year contract on the free agent market. With Tony Cingrani on the scene and a much cheaper option, Arroyo knew this time was coming.

“I haven’t had one conversation with them,” Arroyo said. “They could be taking care of other things or other issues. The sense I get is by not having any conversation with me, is they’re going in a different direction. [Assistant GM] Bob Miller usually likes to get a leg up on these things and have a conversation.

“It’s a question of whether they want a $28 million rotation or a $42 million rotation. They have Cingrani and probably don’t want to push the envelope money-wise.”

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I am not a fan of Arroyo. His best pitch is the long ball. We need a lefty in our rotation. I can’t imagine any club giving him 28 m over 2 years.

I’d be extremely surprised if Bronson A. is in the cards next year. He’s had good years with the Reds and he’s also been a mentor for Leake, among others, but it’s mostly about money, and that $12-$14 million can be spent in other places. It could be what keeps Choo in Cincy. I don’t think anybody will say that we can do without Choo…that Hamilton will be a good replacement. Hamilton hasn’t proved himself at the plate as yet. They need both players. Keep Choo and get another good reliever.

Arroyo is one of my favorite players. I hate that he cant finish his career here, but I understand. I think he is very under appreciated at what he has brought to this team.

I know he is one of your favorites, but he is pricing himself out of Cincy. I know he has not missed a start and sometimes he is very effective. But truth be known I cringe when he starts. Here he is outside talking about how he is expecting 28m over 2 years. To me that is quite arrogant and most undeserving. However, as an exRed I wish him well except when and if he throws against us.

Savvy guy – and not a whiner!

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Why wouldn’t they put a qualifying offer on him… Some team will sign him, and you get the pick, and if he accepts it. You get Bronson for 1 year. It works out either way, the long term commitment is where the Reds don’t want to be with a 38/39 year old pitcher. I think Arroyo is praying and hoping he doesn’t get a qualifying offer but it would be foolish of Walt Jocketty to not offer it.

Arroyo will be 37 in February. He can bearly get the ball up to 89 MPH. For the last few years he has relied on off speed pitches and when not on, he has given up a great deal of HRs (32 this last season). Lastly, he wants a two year contract for somewhere in the neighborhood of $12-$14M per season. Oh, and by the way, we have Cingrani waiting in the wings at minimum coin, and he’s a lefty. It would not be monetarily prudent, nor reasonable for anyone to expect Jocketty to make any kind of offer that would be accepted. It is time for Arroyo to move on. That in a nutshell is the business aspect of MLB. However, with that said, we cannot say enough about Arroyo and his durability. He played well for the Reds and appreciate his number of years of service.

From Lance McAlister
ESPN 1530 Cincinnati
Future Payroll
To the best of my understanding, here is the money owed into the future to players.
Per Cot’s Baseball
2013: $106,855,533
Votto: 14:$12M, 15:$14M, 16:$20M, 17:$22M, 18-23:$25M annually, 24:$20M club
Phillips: 14:$11M, 15:$12M, 16:$13M, 17:$14M
Bruce: 14:$10M, 15:$12M, 16:$12.5M, 17:$13M club
Ludwick: 14:$7.5M, 15:$9M mutual option ($4.5M buyout). Buyout is deferred without interest.
Cueto: 14:$10M, 15:$10M club option ($0.8M buyout)
Chapman: 14:$3M, 15:$5M player option. Chapman must decide whether to accept or decline 2015 player option within 5 days after end of 2014 World Series
Marshall: 14:$5.5M, 15:$6.5M
Latos: 14:$7.25M…’15 arbitration, ’16 free agent
Broxton: 14:$7M, 15:$9M, 16:$9M club option ($1M buyout). If traded, 2016 club option becomes mutual option and buyout increases by $1M. Limited no-trade protection (may block deals to 10 clubs each season)
Hannahan: 14:$1M, 15:$4M club option ($2M buyout)
Ondrusek: 14:$1.35M, arbitration ’15, ’16
Arbritation
Bailey: ’13 $5.35M….. ’14
Leake: ’13 $3.06M…. ’14, ’15
LeCure: ’13 $510K….’14, ’15, ’16
Hanigan: ’13:$2.05M… ’14
Heisey: ’13: $1.325M….’14, ’15, ’16
Simon: ’13 $890K… ’14, ’15
Miller: ’13 $490K…’14, ’15,
Paul: ’13 $505K….’14, ’15
Under control
Cozart: ’13 $527,500
Frazier: ’13 $527,500
Mesoraco ’13 $497K
Hoover: ’13 $492K
Cingrani: ’13 $490K
Hamilton: ’13 $490K
Soto: ’13 $490K
Rodriguez: ’13 $490K
Robinson: ’13 $490K
Free agents
Choo: ’13: $7.5M ($3.5M covered by Indians)
Arroyo: ’13: $6.5M
Massett: ’13:$3.1M
Duke: ’13: $0.7M
Izturis: ’13 $0.8M
Parra: ’13 $1M

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Reds need to draw over 2.5 m and get a good tv contract. I don’t understand if mlb has revenue sharing like nba. The dodgers are the new lakers and I would like to see them penalized for all their spending, but they have a new massive tv deal coming next year. Dodgers and other big spenders, yanks, red sox, giants, have the wherewith to buy, jacking up all the contracts, Cincy and other small market teams, pirates, royals, s.d. just can’t compete. The Reds have a huge payroll going forward.

The Dodgers will receive approximately $400 million in their TV deal next year. That’s
JUST the TV deal and excludes revenues for ticket sales, concessions, parking and sponsorships.
They (Dodgers) are contemplating making a play for Price (SP) and raising their team salary to closer to $250-$275 million. Think they can afford it? BTW…their attendance per year is around 3.7 million; 400 k more than the 2nd team…St. Louis.

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