Jocketty: Not dealing Votto

There has been growing speculation that the Reds should or would entertain trade offers for All-Star first baseman and 2010 NL MVP Joey Votto.

Reds GM Walt Jocketty emphaticaly denied he would listen to offers. The Reds have no plans to trade Votto or entertain an offer to move him.

“We haven’t talked about it. I wish that people would stop writing it,” Jocketty said Monday. “Why would we trade one of the best players in the game? We’re trying to win.”

Votto signed a three-year, $38 million contract last winter that had him earning $5.5 million in 2011 and to earn $9.5 million in 2012 and $17 million in 2013 before he could become a free agent.

Although Cincinnati had a payroll of around $80 million this season and only expect to make a modest jump next season, Jocketty said the team had budgeted for the salary increase when the deal was done.


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you can budget for a contract and still trade it.

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How do you ‘budget’ for a tripling of one player’s salary when you ‘want to win?’ Walt, if there’s a plan, then please share it in a little detail so we can make sense of it. There seems to be a disconnect between keeping JV and having the wherewithal to filed a competitive team. On the other hand: Boston and the Yankees have their premier firstbasemen, so they’re out of the market. Pujols and Fielder will sign with two more of the bigger markets. Who will be left to outbid the Reds for JV when he becomes a free agent? On the other hand again: if there’s an answer to that question and it seems likely the Reds will lose Votto, then trade him now, when his departure solves problems and saves money and his value is the highest it will be.

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You must be kidding! Trade Votto! No way. As a long time reds fan (56 years old) I grew up in the BIG RED MACHINE ERA. I saw the way that team was built around a core group of farm hands like Rose, Bench and Perez and then the addition of key players like Morgan. Today the Reds have the same thing cooking with Votto, Bruce, Stubbs and Yonder Alonso along with key additions like Phillips. Do not mess with this team….let Walt work his magic. Also I would like to give a shout out to Reds fans on the passing of George (Sugar Bear) Scherger. I hope you had a chance to meet him while he was on this earth….what a nice man and a great baseball mind.

That\’s way the bestest aswner so far!

and before you say I am crazy to compare those players to Hall of Famers just remember the 1970 Reds lost in the post season like the 2010 Reds. Then the 1970 Reds missed out on the playoffs in 1971…..came back in 1972 to lose again. 1973 to be bounced by the Mets. 1974 out of the playoffs before finally winning it all in 75 & 76. Give this young, talented group a chance…. I see alot of things in common with this small market team……fill the seats next year and support them as they grow together into a CHAMPION.

Mr. Miller, you’re not crazy, but your analgous timeline has the Reds winning it in 2015 and 2016. Joey Votto will not be a Red after October of 2013. I say that assuming the market will provide a buyer for the fifth top 1st baseman in 6 years (Texeira, Gonzalez, Pujols and Fielder being the others) who can beat the Reds’ best offer. If that’s not the case, hold onto him. But I think it is the case: the Cubs, the Angels, the Dodgers (eventually), the Orioles (?) or even the Nationals (??) might be in the running for him. Or how about the Cardinals, if they lose Pujols? So if you can trade him to Toronto for Bautista, you gotta at least think about it. Meanwhile, am I alone in wishing anyone but the Cardinals had made the series? Go Rangers!

I’m sure you’re not alone, but I’m not a member of that club. Of course, I share the intense rivalry of the past two years, and my Cincinnati loyalty credentials are unquestioned on that particular front. But, by this time of year, history, tradition, and family memory come flooding back to thoroughly drown the more contemporary passions. I remember sweltering summers with my grandparents along the Mississippi River south of St. Louis, so hot and such an unstable atmosphere that electrical storms would send swirling fire balls across the pasture that hours earlier had been our makeshift ball diamond. And, at least in my memory, simultaneously hearing on the radio the exploits of the Brock, Gibson, and McCarver teams of the 1960s in those days conveyed through the almost musical intonations of Harry Caray, long before his more-remembered Chicago days. Or of my grandfather, born in 1886, laying in a hospital bed more worried about how his beloved Cardinals were faring against the Yankees in that year’s Fall Classic than in his own health. He would live for another decade plus into his early nineties, long enough for me to start bragging about the great Reds teams of that time. Curiously, he was always fine with that as long as it didn’t impact his Cardinals. As luck would have it, the Reds and Cards were in separate divisions then and while we had our most glorious days, St. Louis experienced one of their infrequent down times. And even after he died, it never presented much of a dilemma for me. They were great in the 1980s, we weren’t. We were competitive and briefly triumphant in the early Nineties; they were nowhere. Only with divisional re-alignment did the dilemma begin to present itself, but in the late Nineties, while both were good, occasionally for us, the great rival seemed to be Houston, not St. Louis. And while they experienced almost unparalleled success in the first decade of the new millenium, we know that Cincinnati was nowhere to be found, until 2010.

In the end, baseball is mostly about memory and family. Come October and with the Reds long dead, those things easily reassert themselves. Properly so.

Denny – I’ve always wanted to see ball lightning. I appreciate your memories. My problem with the Cardinals has a name – Tony LaRusa.

I’m not a fan of Mr. LaRussa’s either, though his success over many years and with different organizations is undeniable. I think a lot of what we detest him for is, in the eyes of his defenders, simple psychological gamesmanship and, to them, a legitimate part of his competitive edge. But I largely agree: many of my family memories get a bit tainted when I’m forced to contemplate the manager of the moment.

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